A small debate has been going on about whether lefties should have voted for Nader or Gore in the comments section to this Patrick Nielsen Hayden post. On the one hand, Darren Madigan says
I will continue to live on dream time and cast my vote for whoever I personally think will make the best President. Just like I did in Florida in 2000 for Ralph Nader.
On the other, Xopher argues
I cannot understand how any intelligent person could possibly believe Nader was sincere in wanting to shift the country to the left. His actions had the opposite effect, and he’s a smart enough man to know what effect they would have.
This illustrates nicely the distinction that political scientists draw between “sincere” voting and “strategic” voting. And it’s an important distinction. When someone votes, they presumably have a preferred end-result in mind; they would prefer to see candidate x rather than candidate y or candidate z win the election. Simplifying wildly, a “sincere” voter is somebody who will vote for his preferred candidate or outcome, x regardless of what everyone else who is voting does. A “strategic” voter will instead try to weigh up what everyone else is likely to do before she makes her final decision.
So far, so abstract. What does this mean in practice? Well, imagine that a hypothetical voter in the 2000 US presidential election knows that his vote counts, and faces three possible outcomes - either Nader wins (N), Gore wins (G), or Bush wins (B). He’s a leftist, so his ideal outcome is that Nader wins. However, if it’s a choice between Gore and Bush, he very definitely prefers Gore to win. His least preferred outcome is that Bush wins. In game theoretic parlance, the payoffs from N are greater than the payoffs from G, which are in turn greater than the payoffs from B.
Now, if he’s a sincere voter, what does he do? The answer is obvious - he votes for Nader (N). This is his preferred outcome in an ideal world, and he votes for it. Very straightforward.
If he’s a strategic voter, the question is much more complex. He tries to weigh up what everyone else is likely to do, before making his final decision. For example, if he knows that Nader voters are in a small minority, so that Nader has no chance of being elected, he will very likely vote for Gore instead, as G has a better payoff than B, which is his worst possible outcome.
This suggests that people like Madigan are motivated by a fundamentally different logic than people like Xopher. Those who voted for Nader are more likely to be “sincere voters” - that is, they see voting as a means of expressing their identity and political convictions, no matter what the outcome is. People like Xopher, in contrast, are “strategic” - they are interested in outcomes, and thus will vote for a second best candidate if this staves off the worst possible scenario: Bush becoming president. And indeed, this paper provides some interesting evidence to suggest that Gore and Nader understood the difference between strategic and sincere voting quite well. Gore made strategic appeals to likely Nader supporters, asking them to consider the likely alternative if he lost, while Nader asked people to vote their consciences, no matter what result this had.
But things get more complicated. It isn’t necessarily strategically irrational to vote for Nader rather than Gore, even if you know that this might mean that Gore will lose the election. Nader supporters may credibly worry that they will always lose out if they vote for more centrist candidates. Not only will Nader never win, but the mainstream of the Democratic party won’t ever take them seriously. It will know that it can always take their support for granted, because Naderites (a) know that they have no chance of winning themselves, and (b) will always prefer the Democratic candidate to the Republican. If a political party can count on your support, no matter what it does, it won’t ever need to respond to you, say by shifting its position to the left. Instead, it will always move towards the center to hoover up as many votes as possible (this is predicted by the so-called Median Voter Theorem).
Thus, it may be rational for strategic voters to vote for Nader, even if they know that this will result in a right wing President being elected, provided that they are more interested in the long term battle for control of the left wing agenda, than in the outcome of the specific election in question. They’re sending a costly signal - showing that they’re prepared to see the election lost rather than sacrifice their policy aims. Their presumed hope is that the mainstream Democratic party won’t be able to take them for granted in the future, and will thus have to run to the left.
Still, to say that it’s rational isn’t to say that it’s smart. I’m not American - I’m not even resident in the US - but it seems clear to me that the American left will lose enormously over the longer run if Bush is re-elected. Voting for Nader in 2004 won’t do anything to push American politics leftwards in the short term, and, given what’s happening to institutions such as the courts, will likely be profoundly unhelpful in the long term too. Digby’s take on this, which prompted this debate in the first place exaggerates a little. But not much. If I had the vote next time around, like Digby, I’d be a yellow dog Democrat - 2004 is going to be more about damage control than ideal outcomes.
Update - have changed the post slightly to make it clear that the Gore-Nader thing was not in Patrick’s post, but in the comments thereto.
Posted by Henry at June 26, 2003 06:34 PM | TrackBack“A small debate has been going on in the comments section to this Patrick Nielsen Hayden post about whether lefties should have voted for Nader or Gore in 2000.”
I would most earnestly like to clarify that the actual post in question was not, not, not about “whether lefties should have voted for Nader or Gore in 2000.” I realize that English sentence structure is prone to these little ambiguities, but in fact I wasn’t trying to start this particular food fight again, and I wouldn’t mind if you were to clarify this for the benefit of your readers who never read comments. ( * plaintive sob * )
Posted by: Patrick Nielsen Hayden at June 26, 2003 10:30 PMAnd don’t forget the Electoral College. As a Californian, I knew that Gore would win my state. Thus I was able to vote sincerely for Nader, knowing that that would do as much for Gore (my short-term strategic preference) as voting strategically.
Very confusing.
Vance
Posted by: Vance Maverick at June 27, 2003 07:04 AM>> It isn’t necessarily strategically irrational to vote for Nader rather than Gore, even if you know that this might mean that Gore will lose the election. Nader supporters may credibly worry that they will always lose out if they vote for more centrist candidates. Not only will Nader never win, but the mainstream of the Democratic party won’t ever take them seriously. It will know that it can always take their support for granted, because Naderites (a) know that they have no chance of winning themselves, and (b) will always prefer the Democratic candidate to the Republican. If a political party can count on your support, no matter what it does, it won’t ever need to respond to you, say by shifting its position to the left. <<
This line of argument is oversimplified, in that it treats citizens purely as people who pick a political choice from a menu once every four years. People who acively participate in party politics have an influence on the position of the party, even if that party can take their vote for granted. This influence can work in two ways. One is by shaping policy through the internal processes of the party (voting, lobbying, bribery, blackmail, or whatever). The other is that elections are won or lost by getting out the core vote and persuading the swing voters, and party activists are a vital part of achieving these goals. If the activists dislike the party’s policies, while they may well cast a grudging vote anyway, they aren’t going to be spending time helping to win the election.
Posted by: Iain J Coleman at June 27, 2003 07:41 AMAh, gross over-simplification - the stock-in-trade of the jobbing political scientist. Seriously though, I think that the simplification has some merit in this case - i.e. when you’re talking about the relationship between the Democratic party and Nader supporters. The latter are extremely unlikely to want to work through Democrat internal party structures in any event - the point is to persuade them at election time that they should hold their collective nose, and vote for Gore rather than the alternative.
Where your argument works of course - and is highly important - is in describing the relationship between the left-leaning part of the Democratic base and the party leaders. Here, the rank-and-file can have a real voice - all the more so because they are the only people who consistently turn up at meetings etc. And this effect is even more obvious in the relationship between the Republicans and the Christian fundamentalists and extremists in California. But this effect is moderated by the US electoral system’s separation of party primaries from the main vote - candidates swing towards the extremes of their parties during the primaries, and then try to sidle out of their commitments during the presidential contest. And there’s a lot of work on this - which is rather more sophisticated than the toy models I use here. Indeed, sometimes too bloody sophisticated if you ask me, a lot of game theoretical models, whose level of complexity is in an inverse relationship to the usefulness of the results. But that’s a whole different rant …
Posted by: Henry at June 27, 2003 11:00 AMOver simplified, perhaps, but also right on. I voted for Nader in a state (Washington) that I was confident would fall to Gore. I also was confident that Gore would win the election. And I wanted to bring up the Nader vote to give Greens better coverage in local elections and a seat at the table when it came to coverage in the national press.
That is, making the “sincere” decision was a strategic choice. I will likely vote for a Democrat (any Democrat) in the coming presidential election. Which would be a strategic choice, if it were rational to think my choice of whom to vote for had a real effect on a large-scale election :).
Posted by: Alex Halavais at June 30, 2003 09:15 AMWhich would be a strategic choice, if it were rational to think my choice of whom to vote for had a real effect on a large-scale election :).
And which is the precise point that I deliberately ducked in my discussion - because it makes for horrible complexities. Bernard Grofman has an article on the subject called “Is voting the paradox that ate rational choice theory?” or some similar title - precisely because it ain’t rational to vote except under very limited conditions.
Agree with you obviously on the basic situation. If I were a US lefty, I’d hope that Nader held out until the last possible moment, to maximise his leverage, and then grudgingly endorsed the Democrat candidate.
Posted by: Henry at June 30, 2003 01:26 PM